Logos Podcast | Ben Wizner: Speech, Privacy, and Technology

Edward Snowden's lawyer, Ben Wizner, on a decade since the leaks: what reform actually changed, what didn't, and why he calls "national security" weasel words.

Wizner directs the ACLU's Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project and has been Snowden's principal legal advisor since July 2013. In conversation with Logos co-founder Jarrad Hope, the two trace the path from Bruce Schneier's "police car" thought experiment to Toy Story style smart cameras, from Lessig's "East Coast Code" to the protocols meant to replace it, and probe where prosecuting Julian Assange leaves national security journalism. The CBDC and Tornado Cash exchanges in the second half are where the lawyer and the technologist actually disagree.

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0:00 History's debt to the people who pushed back against power
1:25 Becoming an ACLU lawyer five weeks before 9/11
3:30 Working for people, not property
6:00 Inside ACLU's Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project
9:00 Why civil liberties matter when majorities turn on minorities
11:00 Jarrad on the privacy tech stack as a civil liberties weapon
16:20 Snowden's real motivation was democratic accountability
21:00 Schneier's police car and everyone's database of ruin
25:00 The NSA isn't uniquely evil, only uniquely capable
28:30 How a Verizon order finally gave the ACLU standing in court
33:00 Solutionist vs incrementalist: Wizner and Snowden disagree
35:30 Why "national security" is the most abused phrase in American politics
39:00 Going dark vs going so bright you need sunglasses
42:35 Why prosecuting Assange criminalises national security journalism
51:25 Turnkey tyranny and what western China shows the West
54:25 When CCTV wakes up: Toy Story meets facial recognition
58:30 Why "privacy" is too small a word
1:03:50 Why crypto hasn't built the coalition encryption did
1:10:55 A materialist read on rising populism and inequality
1:22:45 CBDCs and the conditions Wizner wouldn't oppose them under
1:41:35 Tornado Cash, structuring, and the price of financial privacy
1:45:15 Closing: hopeful and worried about what's coming

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