Fraud Busting: Tony Sales Britain's Greatest Fraudster full interview with Traci Brown

Here's an excerpt from our interview:

Traci Brown: Tony, you known as Britain’s Greatest Fraudster, and that is quite a title to have achieved. I know there’s a lot that goes into it. You want to start at the beginning, or do you want to start at the end and work back? I have so many questions for you.
Tony Sales: Yes, I was branded by the British media as Britain’s Greatest Fraudster. It’s not something I’m at all proud of. In one of my talks I always say, I ended up in a life of crime. I was destined to be in it. People always say to me, “I try and think like a fraudster.” My answer to that is always the same. I always say, “I’m really sorry to hear that.” People always are like, when I say it, they go, “What do you mean by that?” I say, “I didn’t want my mum to beat me at two days old. I didn’t want to go through the sexual abuse that I went through as a child. That stuff causes trauma. Do you think I wanted to be bad or scenarios that happened created someone that became bad?” Yes, I totally put my hands up to all the crimes I committed, but now I also know that the stuff that happened to me as a child contributed to the person I would become. I’m all about trying to make people understand that firstly, that not only are these people that commit crimes out there, they’re suffering in lots of ways, in ways that they don’t even realize that they’re suffering, and it’s only when you’re really willing to open up to yourself and hurt, that you can understand it.
Traci Brown: Oh yea, being real with yourself. Everybody’s been through some kind of trauma. I actually spent a lot of time as a therapist, and I’ve heard a lot of stories that unfold and unravel just bit by bit into behavior now, to where all of a sudden you find yourself as a fraudster or an addict or whatever the case may be, not things you would ever pick, but opening up and getting real with yourself is one of the hardest things that people can do. It takes a lot of bravery. Good for you because I know you’ve turned the corner, and we’re going to get to that. We’re going to get to that. Do you think, since we’re on the topic, did you mostly do what you did to get attention at first, or was it survival?
Tony Sales: Yea, definitely attention. What happened to me was when I was 12 years old . . . I grew up with my grandmother. My grandmother was a bit older. Of course, the clothes that she was buying me wasn’t the same clothes that the kids my age would wear. I was a bit behind the times by that. I asked a girl out. I actually asked her out. She told me to go away, you tramp.
Traci Brown: Oh no!

Traci Brown is ranked in the top 3 Body Language Experts in the World, and a top keynote speaker for associations and corporations. A body language expert and behavior analyst, she works with sales teams, leaders, and investigators on lie detection for sales, leadership, hiring, and financial and safety investigations, to build the bottom line, drawing from her training with law enforcement and experience in active investigations.

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