"You wanted somebody who looks like a critic hitting you" #Signalgate #goldberg #MikeWalz

Former White House NSC advisor Dr Michael Green and USSC lecturer Dr Kathryn Robison discuss what led to Signalgate, what it reveals about technology and intelligence sharing and how it will impact US alliances with USSC Director of Engagement and Impact Mari Koeck.

This is an excerpt of the USSC Briefing Room podcast episode: What Signalgate revealed about technology and intelligence sharing. Listen to the full episode here:
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Olu0BadTIg
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TRANSCRIPT
 Mari: "Is it normal for government officials to use Signal or apps like that? And if so, why? How is it supposed to be used?"

Mike: "Well, first of all, on Goldberg being in Waltz's iPhone, not totally surprising to me. You know, I worked in the White House for four and a half years and was a senior advisor to the president, ran the Asia office. We would have a heads up that a journalist that we didn't like had something damning on us, a leaked piece of information. So, we would sometimes call another journalist who didn't like us, but at least was fair. So my good friend David Sanger at the New York Times more than once, I was told to call Sanger, brief him.

'Cause sometimes you wanted somebody who looks like a critic hitting you on something you know will be worse if it's somebody else. And so there's nothing wrong with Mike Waltz, the National Security Advisor, or his deputies talking to journalists, including journalists who disagree with the president.

That's pretty normal, even in Trump world. There's also nothing surprising about senior political figures being so busy they don't want to use secure communications. As you said, Hillary Clinton was a bit careless. Sandy Berger snuck things out of the national archives in his socks.

I mean, it's stuff that happens at high levels of government from time to time that, frankly, someone at my level or lower would've been fired for. And there there's a little bit of a, you know, immunity for people at that level, which is which is unfortunate because you need to deter the senior most people, in addition to the almost senior people like I was. It's convenient."

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