Jocko Willink and Mike Sarraille share their impressions of Jonny Kim in the SEAL Teams

Read "The Talent War" by Mike Sarraille and George Randle, which is what Sarraille and Jocko refer to in this podcast - Watch the full episode of Jocko Podcast 244.

Mike Sarraille tells Jocko Willink about his first impression of Jonny Kim, whom he was in BUD/s with. Reflecting on that helped him realize that employers must look beyond what is on paper, or stereotypical positive characteristics, to look for character when hiring individuals to a job position.
From his physical stature and personality, he didn't think Kim would amount to much in the SEAL Teams or make it through BUD/s. As did the instructors who made a snap judgment.

As they both reported to SEAL Team 3, his jaw continued to drop as he noticed how he was "that smart" to pick things up so quickly and witnessing his "amazing" performance in combat, in '06 Ramadi and '08 Sadr City.

In the SEAL Teams, Sarraille also noticed how people would often "look past" Jonny Kim because of his lack of a college degree and being from Los Angeles, but once you peel that onion back, extraordinary character in him is present.

Jocko Willink chuckles at the irony of this and shares his amazement with Jonny Kim as a SEAL, his high standing in the community, and excellence in many other ways which coexists with Kim's extremely unassuming nature which has not changed to this day.

Check out their full interview with Jocko on Jocko Podcast 244, and consider reading "The Talent War" by Mike Sarraille and George Randle.

Mike Sarraille and Jocko Willink both served 20 years in the US military.

Jocko Willink was an enlisted SEAL for 20 years, spending 8 of those as an enlisted SEAL. He served two combat deployments to Iraq, in Baghdad as a platoon commander and in Ramadi as a Task Unit commander.

Mike Sarraille was an enlisted Recon MARINE who became a Navy SEAL officer. He was voted as one of two sailors in his BUD/s class by his fellow classmates to "Who would you like to go to war with?". Sarraille then joined DEVGRU, and retired from the military as a troop commander(O4), Commander of a 16-man troop which typically composes of 3 "teams" of Tier One SEAL assaulters. He found he didn't believe in what NSW was doing anymore, that they were not 100% in what they were doing, which is why he left the military. This was partially to his chagrin as he was going to become a Squadron Commander(O5), which consists of 3 DEVGRU troops.

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